From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Wed Nov 05 06:24:05 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 05 Nov 2003 06:24:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from web41906.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.157]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AHOZU-0006Wy-E2 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 06:23:44 -0800 Message-ID: <20031105142313.98711.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.49.74.2] by web41906.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 06:23:13 PST Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 06:23:13 -0800 (PST) From: Jorge "Llambías" Subject: [lojban] Re: lluis's pronunciation To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <20031105133126.GA3652@llimona.atutiplen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 6574 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --- Llu'is Batlle i Rossell wrote: > About the transcriptions by 'xod' and 'xorxes', I don't know what to say... I > read it in the more correct way I could. I mean, applying the rules of > pronunciation (apart from the misses commented in this mail) I've learnt from > the docs. That we didn't hear exactly what you intended doesn't mean your pronunciation was incorrect, it may very well be that we are not capable of coping with a permitted variation. I know that I am quite inept at hearing Lojban "y", I will always tend to confuse it with an "a". I find this IPA chart with recorded sounds useful: http://www.ling.hf.ntnu.no/ipa/full/ipachart_cons_pulm.html I think Lojban p,b,t,d,k,g,m,n,r,f,v,s,z,x,l correspond to their IPA symbol. The remaining Lojban consonants are c,j which would be either the postalveolar or the retroflex fricatives from that chart (which ones?). Lojban ',. are h and ? in the chart. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree