From sentto-44114-21087-1068130186-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 06 06:50:39 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 06 Nov 2003 06:50:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.99]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AHlSm-0000WG-PH for lojban-in@lojban.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 06:50:21 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21087-1068130186-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2003 14:49:49 -0000 X-Sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18127 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2003 14:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2003 14:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41904.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.155) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2003 14:49:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20031106144941.25341.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.69.6.39] by web41904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 06:49:41 PST To: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031106130708.GE1461@mercury.ccil.org> From: Jorge "Llambías" X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.155 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 06:49:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [lojban] Re: lluis's pronunciation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 6584 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --- John Cowan wrote: > Jorge Llamb?as scripsit: > > > I hear a regular trilled "r". I tend to prefer the flap rather than the > > trill for Lojban (Spanish "r" rather than "rr"). CLL lists the trill > > first among the permitted variants, but it says that in the case of "r" > > all of the variations are equally acceptable. > > Yes, as is true for most of the other letters. In the pronunciation guide, CLL says that "in all cases except 'r' the first IPA symbol shown represents the preferred pronunciation". > However, my understanding > of Spanish phonology is that initial "r", though so written, is > typically rendered as a trill: certainly there is no opposition in > initial position between "r" and "rr". Correct. But in Lojban I try not to trill even in initial position, to maintain a uniform pronunciation for "r". mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/