From xod@thestonecutters.net Thu Nov 06 09:50:35 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 06 Nov 2003 09:50:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AHoH2-0003MS-Da for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 09:50:24 -0800 Received: from granite.thestonecutters.net (localhost.thestonecutters.net [127.0.0.1]) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hA6HjUV4051917 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:45:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id hA6HjUfj051914 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:45:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) X-Authentication-Warning: granite.thestonecutters.net: xod owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:45:30 -0500 (EST) From: Invent Yourself To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Iberian r vs. rr (was: lluis's pronunciation) In-Reply-To: <20031106124804.31680.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031106123837.B50493-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 6585 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > --- Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Llu'is Batlle i Rossell wrote: > > > > > > http://vicerveza.homeunix.net/~viric/lojban/ > > > > > > Let's criticise it! > > > > ry. sounds like "mbry." > > I hear a regular trilled "r". I tend to prefer the flap rather than the > trill for Lojban (Spanish "r" rather than "rr"). CLL lists the trill > first among the permitted variants, but it says that in the case of "r" > all of the variations are equally acceptable. mi sruma le du'u zoi xy. r .xy fa'u zoi xy. rr .xy cu sinxa le nu pada tance pencu kei fa'u tu'a za'uda -- Implicit in the term "national defense" is the notion of defending those values and ideals which set this Nation apart. United States Supreme Court, U.S. v. Robel (1967)