From sentto-44114-21100-1068160561-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 06 15:16:55 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 06 Nov 2003 15:16:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.65]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AHtMk-0001H0-8r for lojban-in@lojban.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 15:16:38 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21100-1068160561-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2003 23:16:04 -0000 X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75616 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2003 23:16:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2003 23:16:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blackcat.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2003 23:16:02 -0000 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 54BBC4DCF; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:16:01 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20031106124804.31680.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> <20031106130708.GE1461@mercury.ccil.org> In-Reply-To: <20031106130708.GE1461@mercury.ccil.org> Message-Id: <200311061816.00009.phma@webjockey.net> From: Pierre Abbat X-Originating-IP: 208.150.110.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:15:59 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: lluis's pronunciation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 6597 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Thursday 06 November 2003 08:07, John Cowan wrote: > In addition, "se cmene" and "te smuni" sound like "ze jmene" and "te zmuni" > to me. Fortunately, "jmene" and "zmuni" cannot exist, but "ze" for "se" > is more serious. It's important not to obliterate voicing distinctions > anywhere in Lojban. They can exist, they just don't. "jmifa" and "zmiku" do exist. However, if he had pronounced "se cnino" as "ze jnino", that would have lexed as one word "zejnino" (which doesn't exist either). Similarly for "te znada". phma -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping & No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I3w.vC/hP.FAA/3jkFAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/