From sentto-44114-21101-1068172981-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 06 18:43:42 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 06 Nov 2003 18:43:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.86]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AHwaz-0004mC-VV for lojban-in@lojban.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 18:43:34 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21101-1068172981-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2003 02:43:02 -0000 X-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32616 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2003 02:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2003 02:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.intrex.net) (209.42.192.228) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2003 02:43:00 -0000 Received: from craig [209.42.212.114] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-7.14) id A6AFF530084; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:42:55 -0500 To: "Pierre Abbat" , Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200311061816.00009.phma@webjockey.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 From: "Craig" X-Originating-IP: 209.42.192.228 X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:39:39 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: lluis's pronunciation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 6598 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ragnarok@pobox.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list >> In addition, "se cmene" and "te smuni" sound like "ze jmene" and "te zmuni" >> to me. Fortunately, "jmene" and "zmuni" cannot exist, but "ze" for "se" >> is more serious. It's important not to obliterate voicing distinctions >> anywhere in Lojban. >They can exist, they just don't. "jmifa" and "zmiku" do exist. However, if he >had pronounced "se cnino" as "ze jnino", that would have lexed as one word >"zejnino" (which doesn't exist either). Similarly for "te znada". zejnino is invalid. It breaks up into ze jnino, even though there's no such word as jnino. -- .kreig.daniyl. "Man lojban needs more stupid infomercials featuring fucked up green guys." -Jadenbane ragnarok@pobox.com teucer@bnomic.org ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/