From sentto-44114-21108-1068298748-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Nov 08 05:39:48 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 08 Nov 2003 05:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.81]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AITJU-0007d8-9W for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2003 05:39:40 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21108-1068298748-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2003 13:39:08 -0000 X-Sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36146 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 13:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 13:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lmsmtp02.st1.spray.net) (212.78.202.112) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 13:39:07 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host81-7-60-172.surfport24.v21.co.uk [81.7.60.172]) by lmsmtp02.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FD35B691 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 14:39:05 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001601c3a5fd$ac896420$ac3c0751@oemcomputer> To: References: <20031107185102.Y89889-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> Organization: Livagian Consulate X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" X-Originating-IP: 212.78.202.112 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:38:58 -0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: Question on "ro" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 6605 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list xod: > On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > > > > --- "Stefan \"1of3\" Koch" wrote: > > > coi. > > > > > > Some time ago there was a discussion on this list whether "ro" is importing > > > or not. I wasn't able to follow the discussion at that time since I didn't > > > have enough knowledge of logics. > > > > > > By now I am a student of math (and Latin but that doesn't matter here) and I > > > can see the problem. I just don't know what the result of the discussion > > > was. I don't want to start the discussion all over again but I want to know > > > whether any consensus was found. > > > > > > ki'e mu'omi'e ctefan. > > > > You may or may not find the answer here: :) > > > > > > > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=quantification+and+the+meanin g+of+ro > > Whether or not a consensus was found probably depends on whom you ask. There was consensus that it is appropriate to have a cardinal number that expresses whatever is the cardinality of the set the number is applied to; that is, meaning "(For) as many x as there are". There was slightly less than unanimous agreement that this should be the meaning of the word {ro}, the dissenters being John Cowan and pc, who held that {ro} should mean "Each of the at least one x". The issue was pretty thoroughly discussed, so I imagine that if this issue gets attended to by the BF, then it would go a straight vote, where nonimporting ro would win. --And. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/