From sentto-44114-21111-1068311701-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Nov 08 09:15:40 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 08 Nov 2003 09:15:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.77]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AIWgP-00015X-7o for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2003 09:15:33 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21111-1068311701-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2003 17:15:01 -0000 X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39216 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 17:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 17:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blackcat.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 17:15:00 -0000 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C2AD84E36; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 17:14:58 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <10.37e4dfe4.2cde535c@wmconnect.com> <20031108152456.GA3368@llimona.atutiplen.net> In-Reply-To: <20031108152456.GA3368@llimona.atutiplen.net> Message-Id: <200311081214.57956.phma@webjockey.net> From: Pierre Abbat X-Originating-IP: 208.150.110.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:14:57 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: two 't' sounds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 6608 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Saturday 08 November 2003 10:24, Llu'is Batlle i Rossell wrote: > On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 09:10:36AM -0500, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > I agree about the comment about 'e'... Well, that's one thing I wanted to > expose in the comment you replied to. :) > > And about Russian T.... I've just begun studying Russian now. I begun first > year in October. :) > It's hard for me to make soft (palatalized) consonants... and for me, > russian soft 't' sounded like 't' in "tear" or "time". > I see I have a lot to learn yet. :) By "tear" do you mean "selklaku" or "lapfendi"? > Anyway... is that soft 't' accepted as lojban 't'? I don't think that soft 't' should be used as lojban 't'; e.g. "sputu" could be misheard as "sputiu". I ran down the gismu ending in "tV" where 'V' is not 'i', inserting 'i', and none of the resulting words mean anything AFAIK, but such a pair is possible. There is a word "strutione", but no "strutone" AFAIK. phma -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/