From sentto-44114-21112-1068312065-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Nov 08 09:22:04 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 08 Nov 2003 09:22:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.108]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AIWmH-000183-TH for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2003 09:21:37 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21112-1068312065-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2003 17:21:06 -0000 X-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46026 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2003 17:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2003 17:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.intrex.net) (209.42.192.230) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2003 17:21:04 -0000 Received: from craig [209.42.212.114] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-7.15) id A60131B00E6; Sat, 08 Nov 2003 12:21:05 -0500 To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <200311081214.57956.phma@webjockey.net> Importance: Normal From: "Craig" X-Originating-IP: 209.42.192.230 X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:20:58 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: two 't' sounds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 6609 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ragnarok@pobox.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list >> I agree about the comment about 'e'... Well, that's one thing I wanted to >> expose in the comment you replied to. :) >> >> And about Russian T.... I've just begun studying Russian now. I begun first >> year in October. :) >> It's hard for me to make soft (palatalized) consonants... and for me, >> russian soft 't' sounded like 't' in "tear" or "time". >> I see I have a lot to learn yet. :) >By "tear" do you mean "selklaku" or "lapfendi"? >> Anyway... is that soft 't' accepted as lojban 't'? >I don't think that soft 't' should be used as lojban 't'; e.g. "sputu" could >be misheard as "sputiu". I ran down the gismu ending in "tV" where 'V' is not >'i', inserting 'i', and none of the resulting words mean anything AFAIK, but >such a pair is possible. There is a word "strutione", but no "strutone" >AFAIK. However, there's nothing worng with using a soft t when the next letter *is* an i. For instance, xruti. -- .kreig.daniyl. "Well, perl can do pretty much anything as long as it is hard to read." -ShawnF ragnarok@pobox.com teucer@bnomic.org ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/