From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Sat Nov 15 12:55:43 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:55:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from web41901.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.152]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AL7SE-0007hB-GQ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:55:38 -0800 Message-ID: <20031115205620.58442.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [157.92.4.2] by web41901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:56:20 PST Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:56:20 -0800 (PST) From: Jorge "Llambías" Subject: [lojban] Re: COI, UI (was Re: cfari) To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <20031115202231.GA14061@mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 6719 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --- Rob Speer wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 08:42:57AM -0800, Jorge Llamb?as wrote: > > You can always resort to full explicit predicates: > > > > ko'a le zvati cu sepli lo mitre be li pare > > Ko'a from here is separated by 12 meters. > > But that's still not "12 meters", it's "something that is 12 meters > long". 12 meters is 12 meters long, isn't it? > If ko'a and I are a meter away from each other, on opposite sides of a > 12-meter plank, that would still be true. True. To be more precise you would need to fill the x3 of mitre indicating that it is in the direction from ko'a to you. But in general, context would seem to be enough. (Of course, my "va lo mitre be li pare" suffers from identical ambiguity. Here, "lo mitre be li pare" specifies the displacement, but it doesn't absolutely guarantee that the x3 of mitre has to be taken as expected. In fact, "va" is just a shortcut for "fi'o te sepli be le manri". mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree