From sentto-44114-21247-1069404963-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 00:53:02 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:53:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.69]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AN728-0001wL-Q2 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:52:56 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21247-1069404963-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2003 08:56:03 -0000 X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47509 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 08:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2003 08:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao04.cox.net) (68.1.17.241) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 08:56:00 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org ([68.228.12.146]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031121085559.ZORN19895.lakemtao04.cox.net@bob.lojban.org> for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 03:55:59 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031121035343.0365c8a0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: lojbab@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031119135323.54343.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031118192733.03581680@pop.east.cox.net> From: Bob LeChevalier X-Originating-IP: 68.1.17.241 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 03:57:16 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: {Archivist} niltei? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 6744 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list At 05:53 AM 11/19/03 -0800, you wrote: >--- Bob LeChevalier wrote: > > At 04:32 AM 11/18/03 -0800, Jorge "Llambías" wrote: > > > > > >Is the x1 of ni a klani or a se klani? The x1 of niltei should > > >be of the same type. > > > > If one insists on jvajvo rules, I suppose so. Maybe the byfy will get > > around to answering the question, if it isn't obvious in the place > > structure. If there were no byfy, I would make a ruling; as it is, I > defer > > to others. > >{klani} relates "measured"-"measurement"-"scale". > >x2 of {ni} is a scale. x1 of {ni} must then be the measurement, >because having places for the measured thing and for the >scale, but none for the measurement seems strange. I suppose >then that the measured thing must somehow be glorked from the >bridi and the context. The thing measured by a ni predicate is the bridi contained in the ni. We've been around this before, as to whether it measures ka bridi (with or without places marked with lambda), and I don't know where everyone else stands these days, and prefer to leave it to byfy to decide. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/