From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Mon Nov 24 10:42:54 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:42:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from web41905.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.156]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AOLfd-00019V-Ji for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:42:49 -0800 Message-ID: <20031124184727.33947.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.49.74.2] by web41905.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:47:27 PST Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:47:27 -0800 (PST) From: Jorge "Llambías" Subject: [lojban] Re: Is srana symmetrical? To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <20031124180229.GR9729@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 6762 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --- Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 06:10:23PM -0800, Jorge Llamb?as wrote: > > The tag {sera'a} is used much more frequently than plain {ra'a}. > > That at least would seem to suggest that {srana} is not > > symmetrical. > > That is much more likely to be because the keyword for ra'a, > "pertained to by", is incredibly confusing. > > I, for one, have no idea what it means, and have been avoiding ra'a > for that reason. I think the idea of {srana} is that it means "x1 is about x2". So for example, if "this book is about birds" is true, that doesn't mean that "birds are about this book" will be true, birds are not really about books, so in this case birds pertain to the book and the book is "pertained to by" birds, but not the other way around. mi sanga sera'a le vi cukta I sing about this book. My singing is about this book. mi sanga ra'a le vi cukta I sing "pertained to by" this book. This book is about my singing. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/