From sentto-44114-21295-1069804571-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 15:56:48 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:56:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.100]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AOn2x-0005bf-9o for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:56:43 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21295-1069804571-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2003 23:56:11 -0000 X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13999 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2003 23:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2003 23:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao03.cox.net) (68.1.17.242) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2003 23:56:10 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org ([68.228.12.146]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031125235606.UEF2192.lakemtao03.cox.net@bob.lojban.org> for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:56:06 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031125183800.03072010@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: lojbab@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20031125135308.GG18123@mercury.ccil.org> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031125064934.040179c0@pop.east.cox.net> <20031124184727.33947.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> <20031124180229.GR9729@digitalkingdom.org> <20031124184727.33947.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20031125064934.040179c0@pop.east.cox.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.1.17.242 From: Bob LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:51:57 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: Is srana symmetrical? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 6792 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list At 08:53 AM 11/25/03 -0500, John Cowan wrote: >Bob LeChevalier scripsit: > > > Thus in English, relevance is not perfectly symmetric, though I > > would have trouble characterizing the asymmetry. > >As Master Sorcerer Seamus O Lochlainn points out in the Randall Garrett >mystery _Too Many Magicians_, it's not relevant to a gun which bullets it >has fired, as the wear on a gun is primarily mechanical; but it is very >relevant to a bullet which gun fired it -- a point extremely important >to forensic ballistics whether thaumaturgical or not. I think that is "steci". The gun is steci to the (fired) bullet, from which it can be determined that the bullet srana the gun (and vice versa). -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/