From sentto-44114-21338-1070313537-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 13:19:36 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 01 Dec 2003 13:19:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.91]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AQvS7-0006rL-9U for lojban-in@lojban.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 13:19:31 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21338-1070313537-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2003 21:18:59 -0000 X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47683 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 21:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2003 21:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blackcat.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 21:15:57 -0000 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 350F53A35; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20031201204445.20214.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031201204445.20214.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <200312011615.53233.phma@webjockey.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 208.150.110.21 From: Pierre Abbat MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:15:52 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: fu'ivla rafsi and r-hyphens Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 6834 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Monday 01 December 2003 15:44, Jorge "Llambías" wrote: > OK, that's where I was looking. It is clear how one forms lujvo > with CVC-, CVCC- or CCVC- rafsi followed by a fu'ivla rafsi: you > just insert a -y- to separate. But it doesn't say how you > can form a lujvo with CVV + fu'ivla or CCV + fu'ivla. For example, > {braglauka} is itself a valid fu'ivla, so it cannot be a lujvo > from {bra}+{glauka}. > > As for your question, {ba'oglauka} breaks up as {ba'o glauka}, > so an r-hyphen would always be needed, but {ba'orglauka} is > itself a valid fu'ivla, so that won't do. Perhaps {ba'oryglauka} > will solve the problem for preceding CVV. For CCV that won't work > though, because CCVr and CCVn have four-letter rafsi form. I was asking about the Book's proposal, in which a lujvo cannot end with a fu'ivla, so {banryglauka} is invalid. I was thinking of a word in which a fu'ivla rafsi is both preceded and followed by rafsi, such as {ba'orglaukyne'o}. The Book doesn't say what to do if a fu'ivla rafsi is preceded by a CVV rafsi, so I wasn't sure. In my proposal, a rafsi that immediately precedes a fu'ivla rafsi must end in a consonant, so if you want to use a cmavo with no CVC rafsi, you have to use {zei}. I hadn't thought of {ba'oryglauka}; if it works, and all cmavo that have rafsi have a CVV or CVC rafsi, it would be a way to make lujvo with them. (I'll check later. I have an errand to run.) phma -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/