From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Sat Dec 06 06:23:53 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 06 Dec 2003 06:23:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from web41903.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.154]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ASdLY-0006BW-7w for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 06:23:48 -0800 Message-ID: <20031206142316.35282.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.69.6.46] by web41903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 06:23:16 PST Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 06:23:16 -0800 (PST) From: Jorge "Llambías" Subject: [lojban] Re: predict, foretell, foreknowledge, prognosis, anticipation To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031205192912.03da8070@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 6859 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --- Bob LeChevalier wrote: > At 11:51 AM 12/5/03 -0800, Jorge "Llambías" wrote: > > > Another approach would be junli'e > > > >x2 of junli'e would be a second knower, right? > > No idea. I don't pretend to really understand jvajvo. The knowing of the > event precedes the event; whether that lujvo works to get that place > structure under jvajvo, someone else must decide. The best way to test a lujvo in my opinion is to expand it in Lojban. Even if you don't get the exact meaning, you get a better sense of what the place structure could be. In the case of junli'e, if the precedence is purely temporal, why would we prefer {lidne} to {purci}? Using lidne suggests to me that {djuno} goes in the x3 of lidne, so something like {lidne be fi le ka djuno}, "x1 precedes x2 in knowledge". mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/