From sentto-44114-21440-1073682309-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jan 09 13:05:46 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 09 Jan 2004 13:05:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.79]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Af3p6-0001FB-NB for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 13:05:40 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21440-1073682309-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2004 21:05:09 -0000 X-Sender: slobin.ran.pp.ru!slobin@slobin.ran.pp.ru X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51851 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 21:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2004 21:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO castle.ran.pp.ru) (213.134.196.14) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 21:05:06 -0000 Received: from castle.ran.pp.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by castle.ran.pp.ru (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i09L54k5007445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 00:05:05 +0300 Received: from slobin.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by castle.ran.pp.ru (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with UUCP id i09L54Or007443 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 00:05:04 +0300 Received: by slobin.ran.pp.ru (dMail for DOS v2.07b7, 18Jul00); Sat, 10 Jan 2004 00:02:29 +0300 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <2.07b7.1BL5.HR8QG5@slobin.ran.pp.ru> Organization: Point of View X-Mailer: dMail [Demos Mail for DOS v2.07b7] Lines: 38 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 213.134.196.14 From: "Cyril Slobin" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 00:02:29 +0300 (MSK) Subject: [lojban] shorthand for conversations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 6936 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: slobin@slobin.ran.pp.ru Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list coi rodo There is often a need to express some conversation in lojban. Of course there is a straightforward way to do it: la .alis. cusku lu ko'a li'u .i la bob. cusku lu fo'a li'u which exactly corresponds to English: Alice said "this". Bob said "that". But in long conversation (imagine play text) the endless repeatition of all this "said" (lojban "cusku") quickly became boring. In English we can use a shorter notation then: Alice: this. Bob: that. Is it a way to obtain the same brevity in lojban? Due the restriction of audio-visual isomorphism, some cmavo should be used instead of colon. I believe it can be a new experimental cmavo of selmaho COI, indicating the producer of current sentence. Let us take, for example, {xi'e} (similar to {mi'e}). Then or example became somewhat like this: xi'e .alis. ko'a .i xi'e bob. fo'a An alternate approach is using a cmavo of selma'o ZOhU, which makes the syntax even closer to English, but seems for me less natural for lojban. Any comments? co'o mi'e kir. -- Cyril Slobin To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/