From robin@bilkent.edu.tr Thu Feb 26 14:59:32 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:59:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AwUTT-0004PI-K6 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:59:23 -0800 Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (ppp102.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.102]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC9CE26E32 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:58:28 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <403E7A8F.9000706@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 01:00:31 +0200 From: robin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040115 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojbanic philosophy (Goetz & Craig) References: <403E762B.4050508@thestonecutters.net> In-Reply-To: <403E762B.4050508@thestonecutters.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-archive-position: 7148 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list xod wrote: > la_okus wrote: > >> la .go,ets. cusku di'e >> >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Transhumanism is a concept which is a bit too alien to me. >>> (I generally have difficulties with teleology and the dependence >>> on purposes.) There may be simpler reasons for interest in >> >> Lojban. >> >> >>> [ . . . ] >>> About 10000 people play with Klingon, and that language really >>> Limits what you can express. Promote lojban as a toy. Playing >> >> is >> >> >>> a good reason - because even if you don't can substantiate >> >> that >> >> >>> It is a goot reasen you still have fun with playing. >>> >>> >>> Goetz >>> >> >> >> Would you consider yourself a hedonist (one whose purpose is >> pleasure)? If so, wouldn't you consider that teleology? I'm not >> interested in using philosophy to make lojban more attractive, but >> possibly the other way around. At any rate, good ideas. >> >> > > If Lojban can improve communication, and thought, then it should > certainly hold promise for philosophy. Also, learning Lojban for the > Sapir-Whorf benefits is indeed an extropian project. I'm not sure that > it will really work until there's at least one family that speaks it at > home. We don't seem to be able to get enough speech time for a dramatic > mental effect; a weekend is not enough immersion. > > One advantage of philosophers using Lojban would be that it's lujvo-building capabilites would mean that they wouldn't keep stretching perfectly ordinary words into strange meanings ;-) robin.tr, who has just been explaining that when Rousseau says "subject" and "citizen", he means the same person wearing different hats, and that a "city" can actually be smaller than a "town", and that a "prince" is not the guy on the white horse who rescues the princess, and ... -- "Caesar non supra grammaticos." - Suetonius Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin