From sentto-44114-21709-1079052162-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Mar 11 16:43:22 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:43:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.99]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B1alf-0008IS-LM for lojban-in@lojban.org; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:43:16 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21709-1079052162-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2004 00:42:42 -0000 X-Sender: a.rosta@v21.me.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97257 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 00:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2004 00:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.v21.co.uk) (62.41.128.11) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 00:42:40 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host213-121-69-119.surfport24.v21.co.uk [213.121.69.119]) by kaliber.flexi-surf.co.uk (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id i2C0etM07521 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:40:55 GMT Message-ID: <023e01c407ca$b0cf9980$274579d5@oemcomputer> To: References: <200403110048.08692.phma@webjockey.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.41.128.11 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:27:47 -0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: pronouncing ' as th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 7212 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@v21.me.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Pierre: > I can pronounce /bahorzuhe/ faster than /baŝorzuŝe/. /h/ requires > only a flick of the vocal cords between the vowels; /ŝ/ requires > moving the tongue. I even pronounce {fu'arka} with /h/, though > etymologically it should have /ŝ/. These should be written /ba'orzu'e/ and /'/: /'/ is a phoneme with allophones [h] and [T] (among others, such as [K], the lateral fricative). I acquired my Lojban accent before I discovered that /'/ needn't be realized as [h]. If I had known that, I would have done what Craig has done. Instead, my Lojban accent merges /'/ and /x/, especially between high vowels. --And. To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/