From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Thu Mar 18 09:40:22 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:40:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.30) id 1B41VB-0001tJ-2b for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:40:17 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:40:17 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: mimiklama Message-ID: <20040318174017.GD11847@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20040318075720.GZ11847@digitalkingdom.org> <40598020.18166.14409A@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <40598020.18166.14409A@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 7261 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 10:55:28AM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: > On 17 Mar 2004 at 23:57, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > jbofi'e successfully parses "mimiklama" as "mi mi klama". > > Rather than, say, what? Failing completely. > > I'm guessing that that's not *really* OK; any opinions? > > I thought you could add any number of cmavo to the beginning of any > brivla since the beginning of the brivla was unambiguously defined by > the consonant cluster? So for me {mimiklama} = {mi mi klama} (and > {mimikla} would be {mi mikla} with an unknown gismu *mikla). OK, what about 'mimibilga'? Obviously 'mimibIlga' is handleable, but without the stress indicated? It's the lack of stress indicators that I'm really asking about. > And otherwise tosmabru-words wouldn't exist, unless I'm > misunderstanding something. I guess what I'm asking is "in absence of stress indicators, does tosmabru still happen?". What about "miklamami"? > > Is it reasonable to have a rule that says that a cmavo can be > > followed by spaces, another cmavo, or a consonant cluster? > > Currently, what follows doesn't have to be a cluster as long as a > cluster follows "soon" after - e.g. {mijimpe} is {mi jimpe} even > though the cluster "mp" isn't immediately after "mi". Even without the stress? > Are you proposing to change this so that {mijimpe} is now unparseable > or a fu'ivla? Absolutely not! I'm just trying to understand. -Robin -- Me: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. "Constant neocortex override is the only thing that stops us all from running out and eating all the cookies." -- Eliezer Yudkowsky http://www.lojban.org/ *** .i cimo'o prali .ui