From sentto-44114-21804-1080163169-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Mar 24 20:24:34 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:24:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.85]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B6MPs-0007q3-Ip for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:24:28 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21804-1080163169-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.159] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2004 21:19:31 -0000 X-Sender: xah@xahlee.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96948 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2004 21:19:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2004 21:19:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xahlee.org) (208.186.130.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2004 21:19:27 -0000 Received: (from xah@localhost) by xahlee.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i2OLJOG12020; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:19:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200403242119.i2OLJOG12020@xahlee.org> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com, xah@xahlee.org X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 208.186.130.4 X-eGroups-From: "xahlee.org" From: "xahlee.org" X-Yahoo-Profile: p0lyglut MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:19:24 -0500 Subject: [lojban] reply to a negated selbri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 7311 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: yahoo@xahlee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list According to "What is Lojban", "Contradictiory negation" .../lojban.level0.html.utf/comp.html (website currently down) it says ---- begin quote If you were to use go'i after a sentence that contained a na contradictory negation, the negation would carry over to the repeated sentence. Unlike English, na go'i would not form a double negative; it merely replaces the na by another na leaving the sentence unchanged. Instead, you must cancel a negative by using the positive equivalent of na, ja'a, to replace the previous sentence na: ---- end quote i find this quite unclear about what it means, because: * it is not well-known how average English speaker responds to negated question. (assuming that average English speaker does in fact respone in one way.) * I find the passage confusing as is written. For example, it is not clear to me what "double negative" means as used. * it didn't give example to illustrate one way or the other. So for example, if someone asks: This is not white? and i wanted to reply that it is white, i think average English speaker would answer "yes". (more likely: "that's right!"). According to the "What is lojban" paragraph cited above, if we have a conversation thus: A: "xu ti na blabi" B: "na go'i" what B is means is that "it is not white". Am i right here? Xah xah@xahlee.org http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/more.html ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/