From sentto-44114-21814-1080217992-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Mar 25 04:33:50 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 25 Mar 2004 04:33:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.67]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B6U3L-0003zD-FO for lojban-in@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 04:33:43 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21814-1080217992-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2004 12:33:12 -0000 X-Sender: cowan@ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32103 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2004 12:14:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2004 12:14:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2004 12:14:46 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B6Thy-00070T-00; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 07:11:38 -0500 To: "xahlee.org" Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20040325121138.GF20661@ccil.org> References: <200403250942.i2P9gdl17608@xahlee.org> In-Reply-To: <200403250942.i2P9gdl17608@xahlee.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.190.237.100 From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Profile: johnwcowan MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 07:11:38 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: reply to a negated selbri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 7318 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: cowan@ccil.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list xahlee.org scripsit: > Can anyone explain a bit why lojban choose to be the way it is? How do i view it in a positive light? :) The idea of "go'i" is that it repeats any part of the sentence not explicitly overridden (except of course the question word "xu"). So if we have a question "xu mi na klama le zarci" ("Are you not going to the store?"), then saying "go'i" by itself leaves the "na" in place, and means that you are not going. "na go'i" overrides the "na" with another "na" (as opposed to adding a "na", which would be a self-canceling double negative) and again means that you are not going. "ja'a goi" overrides the "na" with a "ja'a" and means that you are going. But the simplest way is to avoid "na" in questions altogether. -- John Cowan jcowan@reutershealth.com http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Does anybody want any flotsam? / I've gotsam. Does anybody want any jetsam? / I can getsam. --Ogden Nash, No Doctors Today, Thank You To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/