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From: Jorge "Llambías" <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: [lojban] Re: "pu" versus "pu ku" and LR(1)
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--- John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> wrote:
> 
> Consider these four sentences:
> 
> 1)	da poi cribe roroiku zo'u da xagji
> 2)	roroiku da poi cribe zo'u da xagji
> 3)	da poi cribe roroi xagji
> 4)	roroi xagji fa da poi cribe
> 
> There is no doubt that 1 means there's a bear that's always hungry (false)
> and that 2 means there's always a hungry bear somewhere (true), and that
> 4 is the same as 2.  The question is, is 3 the same as 2 or the same as 1?
> Arguing by analogy with na vs. naku, it's the same as 2, because the tense
> before the selbri is placed at the left end of the prenex, just as a na
> before the selbri is.  Arguing that na vs. naku is a special case that
> ought not to be imitated, 3 is the same as 1.  I lean toward the latter,
> and it follows from what the Red Book says, but I'm not 100% sure of it.

I too prefer the latter, on the assumption that the special 
treatment given to na will eventually be dropped. Otherwise we 
end up with {ta roroi na xagji} having to mean the same as 
{ta na roroi xagji}, which should be different.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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