From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Tue Mar 30 05:52:04 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 30 Mar 2004 05:52:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from web41904.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.155]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B8Jen-0006dM-Ry for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 05:51:57 -0800 Message-ID: <20040330135126.44404.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.49.74.2] by web41904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 05:51:26 PST Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 05:51:26 -0800 (PST) From: Jorge "Llambías" Subject: [lojban] Re: "pu" versus "pu ku" and LR(1) To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <19315a1987ed.1987ed19315a@imap.epfl.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 7401 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list la greg cusku di'e > cu'u la xorxes > > end up with {ta roroi na xagji} having to mean the same as > > {ta na roroi xagji}, which should be different. > > what is the current state? > > I presume that, at the moment, these parse as: > > naku ta roroiku xagji and > ta naku roroiku xagji > > both meaning "it is not true that "that" is always hungry. That's probably the most official current meaning, yes. > I think this is good. The particular semantics of na, although annoying and > sometimes intractible can also be ummm... (no, not useful!) err... > interesting... What does {su'o da na broda gi'e na brode} mean? > does ta roroi naku xagji mean "for all times, it is not true that "that" is > hungry"? That's how I understand it, yes. {roroiku naku} = {naku su'oroiku}, and {su'oroiku naku} = {naku roroiku}. (Always not = not anytime, sometime not = not always.) Having {na roroi} = {roroi na} when directly on the selbri is very odd. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html