From sentto-44114-21900-1080660106-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Mar 30 07:24:30 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 30 Mar 2004 07:24:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.99]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B8L69-0002CS-29 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 07:24:17 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21900-1080660106-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2004 15:21:47 -0000 X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49699 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2004 15:21:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2004 15:21:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao06.cox.net) (68.1.17.115) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2004 15:21:41 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org ([68.228.12.146]) by lakemtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040330152140.PBPZ18400.lakemtao06.cox.net@bob.lojban.org> for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:21:40 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040330101942.030a6df0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: lojbab@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040329231516.GU6569@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20040329120955.GB16482@ccil.org> <20040329070110.GO6569@digitalkingdom.org> <20040329120955.GB16482@ccil.org> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.1.17.115 From: Bob LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:24:30 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: Robin Confused (was Re: Re: "pu" versus "pu ku" and LR(1)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 7404 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list At 03:15 PM 3/29/04 -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >I'm sorry, I must be missing something. In the last two cases, unless >I'm seriously confused, that's just a tense binding to a selbri. >Neither of them require a 'ku' to be inserted to parse, whereas the >example I gave does: > > mi pu ge klama le zarci gi tervecnu lo cidja > >versus > > mi pu ku ge klama le zarci gi tervecnu lo cidja > >Only the latter is accepted by the current parser, but all of your >examples are accepted, and using completely different functionality. I >don't see how my examples relate to your examples. If the question is what the syntactic rule invalidating the first is, then look at .300 gek_sentence_54, second line. To tense a gek'd bridi-tail, you need "pu ke" and not just bare "pu". The classic example of tense-ke before a gek is in the brochure translation of Occam's razor. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/