From sentto-44114-22029-1081831970-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Apr 12 21:53:27 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.79]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BDFvF-0007hW-2C for lojban-in@lojban.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:53:21 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-22029-1081831970-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.27] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2004 04:52:50 -0000 X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7308 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2004 04:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2004 04:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blackcat.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2004 04:52:49 -0000 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 996BC358; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 04:52:37 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20040413043429.GA9141@mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20040413043429.GA9141@mit.edu> Message-Id: <200404130052.36300.phma@webjockey.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 208.150.110.21 From: Pierre Abbat MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:52:35 -0400 Subject: [lojban] Re: Scope of ko Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 7533 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Tuesday 13 April 2004 00:34, Rob Speer wrote: > It seems like the "personal pro-sumti" checkpoint of the BPFK should be > fairly easy to complete, with just one exception: ko. > > I remember some disagreement about the scope of ko, and I'm not sure it > was ever resolved. Does ko cross ije-connectives? If so, how do you > connect a non-imperative statement to an imperative one? > > As an example of where the scope of ko really matters, compare these two > sentences: > > 1. Don't sleep with her just because you want to. > 2. Don't sleep with her, because you'll catch an STD. > > They require different scopes of a command. How would each one be > expressed? 1. ko na gletu ko'a mu'ipo'o lenu do djica 2. ko gletu ko'a, mu'i lonu do cinbi'abi'o da'i kei, naku They require different scopes of negation. You're not commanding him not to want to; nor are you commanding him to not catch an STD. In the first sentence you're commanding him to make "sleep with her just because you want to" false; in the second, you're commanding him to make "sleep with her" false, and the motive applies to the negated command. phma -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/