From sentto-44114-22036-1081881787-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Apr 13 12:04:33 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.105]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BDTCt-0002vp-PF for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:04:27 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-22036-1081881787-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.31] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2004 18:43:24 -0000 X-Sender: cowan@ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96503 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2004 18:43:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2004 18:43:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2004 18:43:06 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BDSs9-0007k6-00; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:43:01 -0400 To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20040413184301.GD7199@ccil.org> References: <20040413164011.GK21966@digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20040413164011.GK21966@digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.190.237.100 From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Profile: johnwcowan MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:43:01 -0400 Subject: [lojban] Re: On parser extensions. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 7541 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: cowan@ccil.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Robin Lee Powell scripsit: > xorxes pointed out that "pabi'ipazeva'e" is currently not grammatical, > whether you shove all the words together or not. :-) The reason seems > to be that the current parsers don't wait long enough, and try to > interpret things as "le pa bi'i ". The official parser's preparser crawls forward when it sees "pa" on the assumption that this might be a PA+MOI string, but when it sees "bi'i" it gives up, because "bi'i" isn't PA. > My questions are: > > 1. Did any of you have that kind of trouble parsing this sentence by > hand? Yes, although that was exacerbated by not remembering what selma'o "va'e" belongs to. > 2. Does this count as a change to the language, or merely cleaning up > LR(1) issues?[1] It would be a change, possibly a worthwhile change but definitely a change; the separation between PA+MOI and arbitrary mex followed by MOI was made *necessary* by LALR(1) restrictions, but now subsists independently of them. This would be analogous to allowing ".i fi'o broda brode co brode brodi be lo brodu bei la brod. bo" as a sentence connector. But anyway, there is now a standard way to say mex+MOI, namely "me li pabi'ipazeboi va'e". Either boi or me'u is required here to keep the preparser quiet. -- MEET US AT POINT ORANGE AT MIDNIGHT BRING YOUR DUCK OR PREPARE TO FACE WUGGUMS John Cowan http://www.reutershealth.com jcowan@reutershealth.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/