From sentto-44114-22042-1081940614-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Apr 14 04:04:11 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.107]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BDiBZ-0008Gw-Gu for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:04:05 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-22042-1081940614-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.28] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2004 11:03:34 -0000 X-Sender: a.rosta@v21.me.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93953 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2004 11:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2004 11:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.v21.co.uk) (62.41.128.11) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2004 11:03:33 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host81-7-55-189.surfport24.v21.co.uk [81.7.55.189]) by kaliber.flexi-surf.co.uk (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id i3EB3L302377 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:03:22 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c42210$1affa840$22e1fea9@oemcomputer> To: "Lojban@Yahoogroups. Com" References: <20040413043429.GA9141@mit.edu> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.41.128.11 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:51:46 +0100 Subject: [lojban] Re: Scope of ko Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 7546 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@v21.me.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Rob: > It seems like the "personal pro-sumti" checkpoint of the BPFK should be > fairly easy to complete, with just one exception: ko. > > I remember some disagreement about the scope of ko, and I'm not sure it > was ever resolved. Does ko cross ije-connectives? If so, how do you > connect a non-imperative statement to an imperative one? > > As an example of where the scope of ko really matters, compare these two > sentences: > > 1. Don't sleep with her just because you want to. > 2. Don't sleep with her, because you'll catch an STD. > > They require different scopes of a command. How would each one be > expressed? (2) can best be done by using {di'u} as an argument of "because". Any solution based on having "because" scope over imperativity would be good only if it generalized to other illocutionary words, which are in UI. --And. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/