From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Tue Apr 27 12:24:17 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.31) id 1BIYBe-0003n9-FO for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:24:10 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:24:10 -0700 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] "herd" and such? Message-ID: <20040427192410.GZ19713@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 7583 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list We've passed my level of expertise. Help, please. -Robin ----- Forwarded message from Jorge Llambías ----- From: Jorge Llambías To: Robin Lee Powell --- Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > What selbri would you use with ni'e? Something meaning "x1 is a herd > > of x2"? > > li ni'e bakni cu klama, IIRC. It's in the red book somewhere. I can't find it. All I can find wrt to ni'e is: --------------- The cmavo ``ni'e'' makes a selbri into an operand. The x1 place of the selbri generally represents a number, and therefore is often a ``ni'' abstraction, since ``ni'' abstractions represent numbers. The ``ni'e'' makes that number available as a mekso operand. A common application is to make equations relating pure dimensions: 18.2) li ni'e ni clani [te'u] pi'i ni'e ni ganra [te'u] pi'i ni'e ni condi te'u du li ni'e ni canlu the-number quantity-of length times quantity-of width times quantity-of depth equals the-number quantity-of volume. Length ? Width ? Depth = Volume ----------------- which wouldn't seem to be the same thing, since cows are not numbers. Is {li ni'e bakni cu klama} meant to be the same as {lo bakni cu klama}? How does {ni'e} introduce the notion of "herd"? Is {li ni'e broda} in general a collective of broda? mu'o mi'e xorxes ----- End forwarded message ----- -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. "Many philosophical problems are caused by such things as the simple inability to shut up." -- David Stove, liberally paraphrased. http://www.lojban.org/ *** loi pimlu na srana .i ti rokci morsi