From sentto-44114-22079-1083106420-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Apr 27 15:54:23 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.106]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.31) id 1BIbSt-0006vJ-Tw for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:54:14 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-22079-1083106420-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2004 22:53:41 -0000 X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52247 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2004 22:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2004 22:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blackcat.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2004 22:53:39 -0000 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B748C44F5; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20040427192410.GZ19713@digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20040427192410.GZ19713@digitalkingdom.org> Message-Id: <200404271853.13873.phma@webjockey.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 208.150.110.21 From: Pierre Abbat MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 18:53:13 -0400 Subject: [lojban] Re: "herd" and such? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 7585 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Tuesday 27 April 2004 15:24, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > We've passed my level of expertise. Help, please. > > -Robin > > ----- Forwarded message from Jorge Llambías > ----- > > From: Jorge Llambías > To: Robin Lee Powell > > --- Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > What selbri would you use with ni'e? Something meaning "x1 is a herd > > > of x2"? > > > > li ni'e bakni cu klama, IIRC. It's in the red book somewhere. > > I can't find it. All I can find wrt to ni'e is: > > --------------- > The cmavo ``ni'e'' makes a selbri into an operand. The x1 place > of the selbri generally represents a number, and therefore is > often a ``ni'' abstraction, since ``ni'' abstractions represent > numbers. The ``ni'e'' makes that number available as a mekso > operand. A common application is to make equations relating > pure dimensions: > > > 18.2) li ni'e ni clani [te'u] pi'i > ni'e ni ganra [te'u] pi'i > ni'e ni condi te'u > du li ni'e ni canlu > the-number quantity-of length times > quantity-of width times > quantity-of depth > equals the-number quantity-of volume. > Length ? Width ? Depth = Volume > ----------------- > > which wouldn't seem to be the same thing, since cows > are not numbers. > > Is {li ni'e bakni cu klama} meant to be the same as > {lo bakni cu klama}? How does {ni'e} introduce the > notion of "herd"? Is {li ni'e broda} in general > a collective of broda? > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- AFAICT that means "The number cow comes", that is, a number comes, and the number is somehow equal to a cow. Neither of those makes sense. You're probably thinking of {mo'e}. mo'e lo'e girzu ve'o bakni cu klama. phma -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/