From sentto-44114-22109-1083412397-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat May 01 04:54:01 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 01 May 2004 04:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n48.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.67.25]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.31) id 1BJt44-0001Yf-SD for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 01 May 2004 04:53:53 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-22109-1083412397-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2004 11:53:17 -0000 X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48946 invoked from network); 1 May 2004 11:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2004 11:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.240.30) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2004 11:53:16 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org ([68.228.12.146]) by lakermmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040501115311.OISY5659.lakermmtao09.cox.net@bob.lojban.org> for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 07:53:11 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040501074935.03d63ec0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: lojbab@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200404302328.48107.phma@webjockey.net> References: <200404302000.15455.phma@webjockey.net> <20040430234418.78701.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> <200404302000.15455.phma@webjockey.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.240.30 From: Bob LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 07:53:14 -0400 Subject: [lojban] Re: Why capital letters standing in for letterals is a *bad* idea. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 7617 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list At 11:28 PM 4/30/04 -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: >On Friday 30 April 2004 20:00, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > There are fixed rules for breaking syllables between vowels, but AFAIK not > > between consonants. Thus {tciuaua} is /tciu,AU,a/, but {baknrto} (some > > animal mentioned in the food laws in Deuteronomy) could be /BA,knrto/ > > (which is what valfendi does internally), /BAK,nr,to/ (which is how I > > pronounce it), /BA,kn,rto/, autc. > >A related question is when are two words, differing in stress and/or >syllabication, the same. If you say /spat,r,xa,PI,o/ and I say >/spa,TRXA,pio/, we are nessecelery talking about the same kind of plant. But >if we both say /UA,cin,tyn/, I might be talking about the city on the Potomac >and you about the state in the Northwest, while we could say /pa,RIS/ and >/PA,ris/ and be talking about the same city, or different cities. Are {paRIS} >and {PAris} the same word? In Lojban, no. However, "PA,ris" and "PAR,is" and "PAR,r,is" are the same word, even though the last has a different number of syllables. -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/