From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Mon May 10 14:31:24 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 10 May 2004 14:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web41907.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.158]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.31) id 1BNIMn-0000zR-Tz for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:31:18 -0700 Message-ID: <20040510213045.22301.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.49.74.2] by web41907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:30:45 PDT Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:30:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jorge "Llambías" Subject: [lojban] Re: loglan/lojban masses/sets To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040510163139.036f8aa0@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 7771 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --- Bob LeChevalier wrote: > > > In particular, I wonder how can I translate from Loglan to Lojban > > > {Focu mrenu} --- a quartet of persons? Is it {lo'i vo prenu} or > > > something else? > > > >With my current understanding, I'd say {lo vo prenu} for the generic > >case (as in "this is meant to be played by a quartet") or > >{le vo prenu} if you have a particular quartet in mind. > > prenu vomei, with conversion to select the appropriate place of the mei > selbri depending on whether you want a set, mass, or individuals. That's not an exact translation though, because {prenu vomei} is a tanru. So for example if you are talking about houses, say houses for people and houses for animals, {lo prenu vomei} might refer to a group of four houses for people and {lo danlu vomei} a group of four for animals. It's hard to get the precise meaning of nonspecific "four people" (as a group) with the traditional use of gadri. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover