From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Mon May 10 15:06:59 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 10 May 2004 15:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web41908.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.159]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.31) id 1BNIvF-0001do-AO for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 10 May 2004 15:06:53 -0700 Message-ID: <20040510220441.12030.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.49.74.2] by web41908.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2004 15:04:41 PDT Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 15:04:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jorge "Llambías" Subject: [lojban] Re: loglan/lojban masses/sets To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <200405101739.55279.phma@webjockey.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 7774 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --- Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Monday 10 May 2004 17:06, Jorge "Llambías" wrote: > > It is not {ro lo finpe cu tolcitmau ro lo mabru}, so if "lea" > > was {ro lo} at some point it was not that here. > > > > I would go with {lo finpe cu tolcitnau lo mabru}, > > "fish is older than mammal". > > That means "There is a fish that is older than a mammal", > which is true, but not what is meant. That I would say as {su'o finpe cu tolcitmau su'o mabru}. I make a distinction between {lo finpe} and {su'o finpe}. I use {lo} as an empty gadri, all it does is convert a selbri into a sumti without any additional semantics. > What is meant is that fish were created before mammals. So > I would say {lo'e se finpe cu tolcitmau lo'e se mabru}, where > {lo'e se } refers to the taxon containing all > and nothing else (in some cases there is no such thing, e.g. > jesymabru). That's too technical for me, as I don't know much about taxons. Your sentence is probably correct, but much more precise than the original. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover