From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Fri May 14 16:40:17 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 14 May 2004 16:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.32) id 1BOmHg-0008QD-Vd; Fri, 14 May 2004 16:40:09 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 16:40:08 -0700 To: lojban-list@lojban.org, Nora LeChevalier , John Cowan Subject: [lojban] [rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org: Archivist: Experimental cmavo space usage?] Message-ID: <20040514234008.GH6978@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org, Nora LeChevalier , John Cowan Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 7858 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list This is pretty important to me, so the sooner all you old-sk00l people can give me an answer (including "We didn't worry about it, actually."), the better please. -Robin ----- Forwarded message from Robin Lee Powell ----- Subject: [lojban] Archivist: Experimental cmavo space usage? From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-list@lojban.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Fri, 14 May 2004 16:37:30 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org X-archive-position: 7857 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 In another mailing list, we are discussing what to do if one wishes to propose that the BPFK adopt a particular experimental cmavo. Do you simply declare the cmavo (which is in experimental cmavo space) official? Do you need to re-partition experimental space? What? My comments: - cut - xorxes said: > I'm probably missing something on the philosophy of the experimental > space. What is the correct way to use it? A simple cmavo thus has the property of having only one or two vowels, or of having a single consonant followed by one or two vowels. Words consisting of three or more vowels in a row, or a single consonant followed by three or more vowels, are also of cmavo form, but are reserved for experimental use: a few examples are ``ku'a'e'', ``sau'e'', and ``bai'ai''. All CVV cmavo beginning with the letter ``x'' are also reserved for experimental use. In general, though, the form of a cmavo tells you little or nothing about its grammatical use. ``Experimental use'' means that the language designers will not assign any standard meaning or usage to these words, and words and usages coined by Lojban speakers will not appear in official dictionaries for the indefinite future. Experimental-use words provide an escape hatch for adding grammatical mechanisms (as opposed to semantic concepts) the need for which was not foreseen. My reading of that is that to actually officially publish a cmavo, it must not be in experimental space. This means either re-allocating experimental space, or changing the cmavo. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. "Many philosophical problems are caused by such things as the simple inability to shut up." -- David Stove, liberally paraphrased. http://www.lojban.org/ *** loi pimlu na srana .i ti rokci morsi ----- End forwarded message ----- -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. "Many philosophical problems are caused by such things as the simple inability to shut up." -- David Stove, liberally paraphrased. http://www.lojban.org/ *** loi pimlu na srana .i ti rokci morsi