From xod@thestonecutters.net Tue May 18 16:30:21 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 18 May 2004 16:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thestonecutters.net ([63.251.19.112] helo=chert.thestonecutters.net) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQE2H-00040I-6R for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 18 May 2004 16:30:13 -0700 Received: from thestonecutters.net (p78-77.acedsl.com [66.114.78.77]) by chert.thestonecutters.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E5614800C for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 19:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40AA9C82.3060308@thestonecutters.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 19:30:10 -0400 From: xod User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031013 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: "Do you speak Lojban?" References: <20040518210322.GN6978@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20040518211201.67453.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> <20040518214754.GT6978@chain.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20040518214754.GT6978@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-archive-position: 7918 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Robin Lee Powell wrote: >On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 02:12:01PM -0700, Jorge Llamb?as wrote: > > >>--- Robin Lee Powell wrote: >> >> >>>On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 09:54:48PM +0100, Zefram wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I'd favour {xu do cusku bau la lojban} or {xu do tavla fo la >>>>lojban}, depending on context. >>>> >>>> >>>I don't like either of those, because they are asking about >>>actuality and not capability (at least by default). They'd both be >>>fine with ka'e, though. >>> >>> >>Presumably the person asking that question is interested in actual >>speakers, not potential ones. They don't need to be speaking in lojban >>right now, but they do need to be actual (ca'a) speakers. >> >> > >I apparently don't understand ka'e and ca'a. > >My point was that I didn't want to ask "xu do ca ca'a cusku bau la >lojban". > > Here's where the difference between cusku bau and bangu arises. You don't want ro prenu poi ca bau cusku, but you do want ro prenu poi ca selbangu. -- When you take the PILS(tm) that "BOB" sends you, everything seems to fall right into place as if by magic! Your Pink Human boss, date or teacher will be bound instantly under your THRALL... every customer will buy your sales pitch ... every cop will look the other way. MORE THEM KIND PILS, "BOB"!