From sentto-44114-22476-1085819733-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat May 29 01:36:13 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 29 May 2004 01:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.75]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BTzK0-00011O-Hf for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 29 May 2004 01:36:04 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-22476-1085819733-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.160] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2004 08:35:33 -0000 X-Sender: xah@xahlee.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10277 invoked from network); 29 May 2004 08:35:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2004 08:35:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xahlee.org) (208.186.130.4) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2004 08:35:31 -0000 Received: (from xah@localhost) by xahlee.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4T8Zja15991; Sat, 29 May 2004 04:35:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200405290835.i4T8Zja15991@xahlee.org> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com, tupper@peda.com, xah@xahlee.org X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 208.186.130.4 X-eGroups-From: "xahlee.org" From: "xahlee.org" X-Yahoo-Profile: p0lyglut MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 04:35:47 -0400 Subject: [lojban] Lojban Flag Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 7998 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: yahoo@xahlee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Thanks Jeff for the drawings. i think G is the best. It is something i'd like to try first. (you beat=20= me to it) I'd also like to try varying the two circle's size, one larger than the=20= other. as for color, i'd prefer lojban logo to be just black on white. For the arrow, i'd try singe sided arrow. Thanks Jeff again for these experiments. Xah xah@xahlee.org http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/more.html On May 27, 2004, at 1:11 PM, pedagoguery wrote: --- In lojban@yahoogroups.com, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > On Wed, 26 May 2004, pedagoguery wrote: > >> I've put up a simpler Lojban flag in the files area ("graphics" >> directory). Comments? I removed the lines from the original >> flag and turned the arrowheads into equilateral triangles. > > Your drawing does look nice, but I'm not yet sure if it looks > nicer than the "canonical" drawings of it. In any case I > don't like the loss of the coordinate system, because it > has a symbolism that is at least somewhat important. Thanks for your kind comments and thanks for explaining some of the symbolism that Xah alluded to earlier. I think the arrowheads alone are enough to evoke the Cartesian co=F6rdinate system --- in a flag, at least. I've put up a few more quick designs in the "graphics" directory. I think A and D are best. Design D is more explicit with the Cartesian system, while A is less of an abrupt change from the official design. In terms of complexity / clutter, I think design D is perhaps a bit too simple, design B is a bit too complex, and design A is just about right. I think design A's explicit inclusion of all four quadrants of the Cartesian system is a good feature. If one wanted to really emphasize the quantitative nature of Cartesian co=F6rdinates, I think one would probably want ticks included on the axes. I'd like to have a flag that would reproduce well at small sizes. > People have previously complained that it looks to thin, > "weak", "not striking", etc. I think those complaints could > be alleviated somewhat by making heavier lines, and by > emphasizing the arrowheads, as you did. > > I've also noticed that the Lojban logo tends to look better > with the middle space of the Venn diagram (ie. A & B) very > wide, so that the vertical axis of the coordinate system > obscures as little as possible of it. It is this sort of thing that lead me to a simpler design. Design B has the Venn circles further apart than before. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/