From robin@Bilkent.EDU.TR Mon May 31 13:57:28 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 31 May 2004 13:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from firat.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.10.13]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BUtqS-0002Do-Bm for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 31 May 2004 13:57:21 -0700 Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (ppp102.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.102]) by firat.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4VKuf1R027352 for ; Mon, 31 May 2004 23:56:42 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <40BB9C9E.9090406@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 23:59:10 +0300 From: robin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040115 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Learning Lojban References: <20040531124525.92306.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> <200405310910.01587.phma@phma.hn.org> <40BB9466.6010105@thestonecutters.net> In-Reply-To: <40BB9466.6010105@thestonecutters.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by firat.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr id i4VKuf1R027352 X-archive-position: 8027 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@Bilkent.EDU.TR Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list xod wrote: > Pierre Abbat wrote: > >> On Monday 31 May 2004 08:45, Jorge "Llambías" wrote: >> >> >>> --- Robin Turner wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Lojban does not have nouns, verbs etc., and I am >>>> convinced that our endless debates about Lojban articles are partly >>>> caused by the fact that we still think of them as articles. >>>> >>> >>> Sounds right. I think the best way to think of {lo} is as >>> a selbri-to-sumti converter, without any additional baggage. >>> >> >> >> To someone who doesn't know Lojban, "selbri" and "sumti" are semantic >> zeros. The closest terms in English, I think, are "verb phrase" and >> "noun phrase", >> > > A closer analogy might be Function and Arguments. > > Absolutely. IIRC, Nick and I put that in one of the notes to the lessons. robin.tr -- "I'm very into Britney Spears' early work, before she sold out, so mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art." Dawn - BtVS Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin