From sentto-44114-22786-1090965348-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jul 27 14:56:34 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.103]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BpZvs-0006wU-Ni for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:56:24 -0700 Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2004 21:55:48 -0000 X-Sender: a.rosta@v21.me.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94122 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2004 21:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2004 21:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO heineken.flexi-surf.co.uk) (62.41.128.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2004 21:55:46 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host81-7-53-70.surfport24.v21.co.uk [81.7.53.70]) by heineken.flexi-surf.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i6RLBie30623 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:11:44 +0100 Message-ID: <00d101c47424$785fb780$fd3f0751@oemcomputer> To: References: <20040727194035.93302.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.41.128.20 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:53:21 +0100 Subject: [lojban] Re: Test sentences Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 8343 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@v21.me.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list xorxes: > 36. Cicero is Tully > > la kikeros cu du la tulis Given the ragbag and decontextualized nature of the test sentence collection, the translation is reasonable, but as you are aware, it completely sidesteps the issues that make (36) a challenging test sentence in the first place. Change it to, say, "John does not believe that Cicero is Tully", and the challenge becomes more apparent. (The solution is to have brivla for "Cicero" and "Tully" & then it all works out hunkydory.) --And. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/