From xod@thestonecutters.net Tue Jul 27 15:07:07 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thestonecutters.net ([63.251.19.112] helo=chert.thestonecutters.net) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Bpa67-0007JS-Fj for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:06:59 -0700 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p78-77.acedsl.com [66.114.78.77]) by chert.thestonecutters.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD93148043 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4106D1F4.9040005@thestonecutters.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:06:44 -0400 From: xod User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.2 (Windows/20040707) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Test sentences References: <20040727194035.93302.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> <00d101c47424$785fb780$fd3f0751@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <00d101c47424$785fb780$fd3f0751@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-archive-position: 8344 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list And Rosta wrote: >xorxes: > > >>36. Cicero is Tully >> >> la kikeros cu du la tulis >> >> > > > Thank you for not translating it as la siseros. >Given the ragbag and decontextualized nature of the test sentence >collection, the translation is reasonable, but as you are aware, >it completely sidesteps the issues that make (36) a challenging >test sentence in the first place. Change it to, say, "John >does not believe that Cicero is Tully", and the challenge becomes >more apparent. (The solution is to have brivla for "Cicero" >and "Tully" & then it all works out hunkydory.) > > Why? Because we're using "me"? -- Iraq is the second holiest place in Islam. Bin Laden's now got the Americans in the two holiest places in Islam, the Arabian Peninsula and Iraq, and he has the Israelis in Jerusalem. All three sanctities are now occupied by infidels, a great reality for him.