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Subject: [lojban] Re: samselpli ?
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 09:49:44AM +0100, Zefram wrote:
> Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> >What do people think of samselpli ?
> 
> "computer tool"... "x1 is a piece of software used by x2 for purpose
> x3".  Does this apply only when the software is being actively used?

Only if you say "ca samselpli" or similar.

> Actually, I wonder this more generally about "pilno".  It looks to me
> like "samselpli" describes the act of using a computer program, from
> the user's perspective.  "la vi,ais samselpli mi lenu finti dei".

Point.

> By analogy with tools in general, I think "samtci" ("x1 is a piece of
> software used for doing x2") is the right lujvo to describe what I'd
> call a "program" or "application".  This is in the sense of a piece of
> software viewed from a user's perspective, with continuous existence
> regardless of particular invocations of the tool.  "la vi,ais samtci
> lenu galfi loi lerfu datnyvei".

Unfortunately, I think you're right.  I sometimes forget the paucity of
computer knowledge of the average user; if I found other things to put
in a generalized lujvo for "program" (say, required operating system or
processor, just to pool a couple of possible places out of my ganxo),
the average user would literally have no idea how to fill them.

samtci is probably best for a most-general "program" lujvo.

I'll put samtci and sampli in jbvolaste, the latter for "computer user".

> From the programmer's perspective, lujvo based on "platu" are more
> appropriate.

And sysadmins, like me, prefer samru'e.

-Robin

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