From philip.newton@gmail.com Fri Aug 20 22:44:23 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.170.200] helo=mproxy.gmail.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ByOfk-00031j-Eg for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:44:12 -0700 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 76so25158rnl for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.171.20 with SMTP id t20mr373901rne; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.15.76 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <537d06d00408202244774333ae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:44:12 +0200 From: Philip Newton To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Piraha and SWH In-Reply-To: <200408202125.31324.phma@phma.hn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis References: <20040820083359.GA7469@fysh.org> <20040820190429.GE5127@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20040820190947.GF5127@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <200408202125.31324.phma@phma.hn.org> X-archive-position: 8511 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: philip.newton@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:25:31 -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > I just looked up Pirahã and found this: "Uma criança pode ou não continuar a > viver com seus pais depois dos três anos de idade. A maioria das aldeias > grandes tem uma subcultura de crianças, de três a catorze anos, que moram > juntas e cuidam umas das outras." Since the Pirahã don't count, how does > anyone know how old they are? > http://www.sil.org/americas/brasil/LANGPAGE/PortPHPg.htm I imagine they go by the level of maturity of the child rather than strictly its chronological age (e.g. something like "can speak in simple sentences" to "has entered puberty", or the like). Or possibly by physical size, which can perhaps be estimated qualitatively. Cheers, -- Philip Newton