From sentto-44114-22954-1093086273-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Aug 21 04:05:40 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 04:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.71]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ByTgS-00071V-Bf for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 04:05:19 -0700 Received: from [66.218.66.27] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2004 11:04:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: a.rosta@v21.me.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56512 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2004 11:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2004 11:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO heineken.flexi-surf.co.uk) (62.41.128.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2004 11:04:32 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host81-7-58-223.surfport24.v21.co.uk [81.7.58.223]) by heineken.flexi-surf.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i7LA9AK03303 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:09:10 +0100 Message-ID: <005201c4876e$a33490e0$df3a0751@oemcomputer> To: References: <20040820083359.GA7469@fysh.org> <20040820190429.GE5127@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20040820190947.GF5127@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <200408202125.31324.phma@phma.hn.org> <20040821091504.GA13917@fysh.org> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.41.128.20 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:29:42 +0100 Subject: [lojban] Re: Piraha and SWH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 8515 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@v21.me.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list zefram: > Pierre Abbat wrote: > >Hm. Is there any way the Pirahã (that word keeps making me think > >Piranha) > > Apparently it's pronounced {pida'AN}. I would Lojbanize as {PIraxan} or {piraxAN}, since I think the is a tap, i.e. an allophone of Lojban /r/, and [x], an allophone of /x/, is closer to [h] than is /T/, an allophone of /'/. > Something else that occurred to me. Several aspects of their culture and > cognition remind me of the depiction of Homo erectus in Stephen Baxter's > novel "Evolution". The impermanence of everything; discarding tools after > a couple of uses; failure to acquire new skills (dugout canoe making) > comparable in complexity to existing skills; inability to stick to a > planned task (house building); inconsideration of anything not actually > present (the planes and model building). Might this be a remnant of > pre-human culture? Not a remnant, surely, given that these people live in Brazil. Perhaps an atavistic throwback, at most. --And. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/