From phma@ixazon.dynip.com Sat Aug 21 04:45:45 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 04:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [216.189.121.177] (helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ByUJT-0007lh-12 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 04:45:35 -0700 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 256C24B08; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:45:05 +0000 (UTC) From: Pierre Abbat Organization: dis To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Piraha and SWH Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:45:04 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20040820083359.GA7469@fysh.org> <20040821091504.GA13917@fysh.org> <005201c4876e$a33490e0$df3a0751@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <005201c4876e$a33490e0$df3a0751@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200408210745.04483.phma@phma.hn.org> X-archive-position: 8516 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.hn.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Saturday 21 August 2004 06:29, And Rosta wrote: > zefram: > > Apparently it's pronounced {pida'AN}. > > I would Lojbanize as {PIraxan} or {piraxAN}, since I think the > is a tap, i.e. an allophone of Lojban /r/, and [x], an allophone > of /x/, is closer to [h] than is /T/, an allophone of /'/. [T] isn't the only allophone of /'/, and AFAIK the choice is dialectal. I say [h], even in a word {fu'arka} which is a fu'ivla from a word with [T] in it. I think it should be {pira'AN}. What do we do with "Xhosa", in which the 'X' represents a click to which there is no close phoneme in Lojban? phma -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa