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Subject: [lojban] Re: names of the elements
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John Cowan wrote:
>> Xenon: {ciznavni} "strange noble gas" is OK but smells of malglico.
>> {fangynavni} "foreign noble gas" is closer to the English etymology.
>
>"xenon" in Greek is indeed both "stranger" and "foreigner", but I think that
>"stranger" was intended, so perhaps ninynavni is more like it.

Do we have different definitions of these words?  To me "stranger" and
"foreigner" are quite close in meaning, and {cizra} is quite distant
from them.  {ninynavni} is not a good name for xenon because it's the
natural translation of "neon".

-zefram