From sentto-44114-23260-1098452052-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Oct 22 06:34:53 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.43]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKzZ6-0001vz-Va for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:34:45 -0700 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 13:34:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.97] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 13:34:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: lojban@solipsys.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72455 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2004 13:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2004 13:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2004 13:34:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 13:34:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 13:34:07 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.32 From: "riderofgiraffes" X-Originating-IP: 83.104.25.49 X-Yahoo-Profile: riderofgiraffes MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:34:04 -0000 Subject: [lojban] Help in examples ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 8832 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojban@solipsys.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list I've been trying to explain to someone why it is when discussing lojban that "standard" linguistic terms such as "noun", "complex noun phrase" and "verb", etc., don't suffice. I've pointed out that the clarity and unity provided by a single concept of "predicate with arguments" makes it simpler, and that introducing "noun", "verb", etc. simply makes the situation more complex, but it doesn't work with her mindset. Please can someone provide me with a few examples where a sumti cannot be passed of as "just a complex sort of noun"? Thanks. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/