From robin@bilkent.edu.tr Fri Oct 29 07:00:00 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CNXIL-0005G4-Mu for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 06:59:58 -0700 Received: by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix, from userid 72) id B42A726F36; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:59:20 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [139.179.111.103] (ppp103.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.103]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F75A26F08 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:58:59 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <41824EC0.9070504@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:08:00 +0300 From: robin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040914 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: "act so that" without ko? References: <1099044518.23542.3.camel@ludvig.safelogic.se> <20041029113545.GC7102@skunk.reutershealth.com> In-Reply-To: <20041029113545.GC7102@skunk.reutershealth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 8877 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list John Cowan wrote: > Martin Norbäck scripsit: > > >>I have always thought that the "ko" construct is a bit of a kludge. What >>especially bugged me was the example in CLL "ko ko kurji". Why replace >>both "do" with "ko"? > > > Because it lets you express two meanings simultaneously: > > "Take care of yourself" > "Be taken care of by yourself" > Indeed: you could say "ko kurci do" (or "ko do kurci" or "doi ko do do kurci" or whatever) but "ko ko kurci" is kind of cute. Lojban is like Perl in that respect: su'o re lo tadji ka'e xanri robin.tr -- "His youngest brother, Tendzin Choegyal, says one of the Dalai Lama's greatest finds of recent years was super-glue -- second, in fact, only to the more recent discovery of super-glue remover." Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin