From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Sat Nov 20 09:05:14 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:05:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CVYfZ-0005rL-BB for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:05:05 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:05:05 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Archivist/Founders: {ri'a nai} vs. {se mau nai} Message-ID: <20041120170505.GO28493@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040722i From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 9016 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list I'm looking at the BAI* cmavo, and I notice that {ri'a nai} (and {ki'u nai}, and so on) all mean something like "despite (tagged sumti)", whereas the only non-causative BAI NAI sumti ({se mau nai} and {se ma'e nai} mean something like "it is not the case that (tagged sumti)". The "despite" thing seems to be a huge wart, and I'm wondering if you guys had anything in mind for BAI+NAI *in general*. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/