From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Sun Nov 21 21:09:45 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:09:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CW6SG-0006eI-36 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:09:37 -0800 Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:09:36 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Archivist/Founders: {ri'a nai} vs. {se mau nai} Message-ID: <20041122050936.GY28493@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20041120170505.GO28493@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <41A10BCE.1090509@lojban.org> <20041122044115.GR28493@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <200411212359.05211.phma@phma.hn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200411212359.05211.phma@phma.hn.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040722i From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 9030 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sun, Nov 21, 2004 at 11:59:05PM -0500, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Sunday 21 November 2004 23:41, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > Because "ri'a nai" should be "not caused by". IOW: > > > > mi klama ri'a nai lo nu do cpedu > > > > is "I came, but not because you asked". This is *VERY* > > different "I came despite the fact that you asked". That it's > > the latter and not the former seems a wart. > > Is {to'e ri'a} a good way to say "despite"? Oh, that's *very* slick. Then we would have that: {to'e ri'a} is "in opposition to (your asking)" {no'e ri'a} is "in indifference to (your asking)" {na'e ri'a} == {ri'a nai} is "not because of (your asking)" {je'a ri'a} is "definately because of (your asking)" Oh, yeah, this is *sweeeeet*. Any objections? Note, however, that {ri'a} is utterly wrong for this example. My bad. Should be {mu'i}. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/