From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Mon Nov 22 09:13:02 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:13:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from web41904.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.155]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CWHkC-00087q-JZ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:12:53 -0800 Received: (qmail 1168 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2004 17:12:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20041122171220.1162.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.43.213.169] by web41904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:12:20 PST Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:12:20 -0800 (PST) From: Jorge "Llambías" Subject: [lojban] Re: Archivist/Founders: {ri'a nai} vs. {se mau nai} To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <20041122050936.GY28493@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 9036 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --- Robin Lee Powell wrote: > Then we would have that: > > {to'e ri'a} is "in opposition to (your asking)" > {no'e ri'a} is "in indifference to (your asking)" > {na'e ri'a} == {ri'a nai} is "not because of (your asking)" > {je'a ri'a} is "definately because of (your asking)" > > Any objections? How does {to'e rinka} become "in opposition to"? Wouldn't that be {fapro}? My first guess for {to'e rinka} would be {se rinka}, the opposite of the cause is the effect. Saying that "despite" is the opposite of "because" is like saying that "all" is the opposite of "some", or that "and" is the opposite of "or", or that "must" is the opposite of "may". They are in some kind of opposition (they are duals) but I wouldn't use {to'e} for it. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com