From sentto-44114-23542-1104190248-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Dec 27 15:31:26 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:31:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.51]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cj4Kd-0003xo-B2 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:31:19 -0800 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 23:30:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.29] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2004 23:30:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72421 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 23:30:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2004 23:30:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ratanakiri.reutershealth.com) (65.246.141.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 23:30:47 -0000 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (ratanakiri [65.246.141.37]) by ratanakiri.reutershealth.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iBRNRwrm005186 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:27:57 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20041227232757.GF13342@skunk.reutershealth.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.246.141.37 From: John Cowan MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:27:57 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Call to move this list to lojban.org only Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 9122 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Currently this list is dual-hosted on Yahoo! Groups (as lojban@yahoogroups.com) and on lojban.org (as lojban-list@lojban.org). I think it's time to move off Yahoo! Groups; the lojban.org server is now very stable and we have no problems with it. Dual-hosting has the problem that anyone can post to the lojban.org version whether they have signed up or not, which lets spam in. By cutting off the Y!G version, we can eliminate that problem. It used to be important, I think, to have the list on a major list provider in order to give it added publicity. I think having lojban.org does that job better now, and Yahoo! is less than predictable as a host -- they have imposed retroactive rules changes without warning before. The archives are fully recoverable from Y!G, thanks to the wonderful program yahoo2mbox, which does all the dirty work of retrieval. We can also transfer all subscribers automatically without problem. Does anyone object to this? Even if there is no objection, it will have to wait until Robin (postmaster at lojban.org) is motivated to actually do it, but I'd like to make sure there will be no howls of complaint. -- Samuel Johnson on playing the violin: John Cowan "Difficult do you call it, Sir? jcowan@reutershealth.com I wish it were impossible." http://www.ccil.org/~cowan ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/