From rspeer@MIT.EDU Tue Jan 11 11:00:44 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:00:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from south-station-annex.mit.edu ([18.72.1.2]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1CoRFq-0006hq-S9 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:00:35 -0800 Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by south-station-annex.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id j0BJ0WSV013135 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from grand-central-station.mit.edu (GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.82]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id j0BJ0UHm012241 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from outgoing-legacy.mit.edu (OUTGOING-LEGACY.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.104]) by grand-central-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id j0BJ0UKf015763 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from torg.mit.edu (TORG.MIT.EDU [18.208.0.57]) ) by outgoing-legacy.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0BJ0NbV001429 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from rob by torg.mit.edu with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CoRGM-0004Yy-00 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:01:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:01:05 -0500 From: Rob Speer To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Holiday Present from the BPFK: The gadri Proposal Has Been Completed Message-ID: <20050111190105.GC17368@mit.edu> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20050107012257.2818.qmail@web41902.mail.yahoo.com> <00a001c4f4f2$8ac75a00$42e1fea9@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00a001c4f4f2$8ac75a00$42e1fea9@oemcomputer> X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-Spam-Score: -4.9 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 X-archive-position: 9230 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rspeer@MIT.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 07:45:29PM -0000, And Rosta wrote: > This said, I don't understand how come "ci lo vo nanmu" quantifies > over the four referents of "lo vo nanmu", yet "ci loi vo nanmu" > quantifies not over the one referent of "loi vo nanmu" but > rather over the quasi-infinite number of things that "loi vo > nanmu" can refer to. It's not that I see anything objectionable > to this -- indeed, it's expressively a good thing -- but I don't > understand the basis for the claim about PA me . Well, for one thing, you can't quantify three of something that has one referent. That's as nonsensical as {ci le pa gerku}. And where does the idea that {loi vo nanmu} has one referent come from? Is that the "Mr. Rabbit" (or "Mr. Man" in this case) concept that I've never believed in? -- Rob Speer