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Subject: [lojban] Re: pronunciation with cmavo and brivla
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On Wednesday 12 January 2005 00:23, Chris Capel wrote:
> (Seems that jbojbena isn't in jbovlaste.)

It means "is a native Lojban speaker" and has been used in the phrase {lo 
jbojbe ba jdice}, but I don't know if anyone's decided on a place structure. 
As no one is born speaking a language, I coined {verclibau} for "native 
language". I came up with {lojbojbena} as a sound sequence which lexes as two 
phrases with the same meaning, but not grammatically equivalent, depending on 
stress and juncture. It can also be a third sequence of words {lo jbojbe na} 
(which is not a phrase). So the whole sentence is {lo jbojbe na lojbo jbena 
lo jbojbena}.

> Aren't brivla always pronounced on the penultimate syllable, thus
> making a pause in those cases with brivla longer than two syllables
> flow much more naturally with speech than "le RE. NANmu"? (You try
> saying it with a glottal stop, as you would want to in normal
> speech--it sounds terrible.) It would seem that if it were meant to
> apply only to three-syllable brivla, the example was very poorly
> chosen.

It also applies to longer brivla; the Book, for simplicity, says it applies to 
all brivla. Humans lex speech differently; a human hearing /LEkraTAIgo/ will 
think "There's no such word as {lekra} but there is such a word as 
{krataigo}".

phma
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